i find paragraph 20 quite interesting in the jan 2010 study article.
http://download.jw.org/files/media_magazines/w_f-st_e_20100115.pdf.
"prove to be a real follower of christ".
Hypocrites!
When i was 'spiritualy sick' and faded fast, while my wife still went to the meetings ,
NOBODY CAME TO SEE ME.
Only two elders in response to my confession of a minor indescretion.
IN TWO YEARS OF BEING ALONE (BEFORE D/F) ONLY ONE NON FRIEND JW EVER CAME TO VISIT.
It still makes me angry, 10 years on. Them and their made up crap stories of faith and love.
Oz
just noticed that in the february 2010 study edition of the watchtower, they refer to the "millions now living will never die" talk in 1918, but they have changed the title to "millions now living may never die".
only problem, they included the picture of the invitation to the talk, which says 'will'.. ooops.
it's on page 16. enjoy.. .
Pdfs now available on the JWorg website downloads section
Oz
i refered to this also in an earlier thread but failed to look at the picture!
thanks Marni mae
the holidays are here and they certainly do present a problem for jehovah's witnesses once again.
christmas parties at work, getting christmas bonuses, dealing with holiday greetings, christmas carols, decorated trees and houses, santa claus everywhere, christmas candy, sleighbells ringing brings the witnesses into a very troubling and disturbing time of year.how do most witnesses handle it all?
we will be discussing these questions with former witnesses and active witnesses on the conference call this saturday night, december 19,2009 at 7 p.m. the conference call is presented like a radio talk show program.
Dear Mouthy, dont beat up on yourself too much please. When i look back on any mistakes or regrets i remind myself that what i did, i did with all sincerity that it was the right thing to do at that time.
cheers to you
Oz
well, some of you know that i have a 16 year old son who lives with his jw mother.
she has already mastered the art of guilt control on him.
i am most anxious that he not get baptized at all or at least unless he has really understood the whole truth, not just the watchtower truth.
Well, another two weeks gone by. He got his learners permit and we went for a drive. It's really weird having a kid control a car, yet i must remember that was me once!
anyway, had a little chat about how he felt about turning 16 and getting his learners etc. Felling a little more grown up and realizing that he is gaining more freedom to do what he wants.
slipped in some comments on "not ever letting anybody or any one, no matter who they are, tell you what you can be or what to think. Your brain is yours and dont ever let anyone control what you believe".
left it at that and took him to his JW mates WII party with girls!
Perhaps not a huge seed but... from little things big things grow.
i also found out he spent hours texting non witness girl from school the night before too. as well as he said how he likes pole dancers and bikini oiled girl wrestling! WTF! ( I FIND IT INTERESTING THAT WHEN HE IS WITH ME HE IS NOT EMBARRESSED TO REVEAL HIS TRUE SELF) he sure aint getting this influence from me! I might be a horny devil and a red blooded male but i make a point of not influencing him in that direction. He sure knows more than me at that age!
OZ
the other day at wal mart, a hot blonde chick with blue eyes was with a guy, we smiled at each other few times while we were doing some shopping, i could not bring myself to say hi or something like that, i was not sure if she was with his brother or her significant other (bf, hubby???
) i wish i could handle it differently, how can i know that she is with her brother or her husband or bf?.
guys, how would you handle the situation?
If she was with a guy... move on.
I met my last girlfriend in the supermarket... the cat food isle. LOL.
Any way, she was by herself, was a knockout and i just HAD to meet her. I said ' hi, i would like to ask you out for a coffee, are you single?' her reply was first, 'am i a weirdo!?' to which i replied 'i dont think so!' she took my number and rang me the next day. we went out for two years.
nothing to loose by asking, BUT, if they looked attatched or had a ring on, i just worshipped from afar.
cheers
Oz
i dont often have an interest in interpretation of scripture, but, i do of this one:.
many of us are aware of the late use of gen 6:3 and the link to our last days... "we are now 90 years into..." (wt dec 15 2003)3. i read all of chapter 5 and 6. as far as i can see, taking this all in context i am sure the '120' years is only a reference to the future lifespan god would allow mankind.
all the oldies before the flood had huge lifespans and after much much shorter.. enosh 905; ja'red 962; methuselah 969; la'mech 777; abraham 175; joseph 110; moses 120 etc.. take verse 3 by itself and perhaps one can make it say in 120 years i'll kill everybody, but to be honest that makes no sense at all.
Leolaia, thankyou for that research, i will look deeper into it.
so it appears that dependeing on what a religion wants to teach, they will lean to that side of the history debate.
but, even if the 120 yrs to the flood was true, that still does not set a pattern of how long god waits to bring the end now. What majic does the WT society pull to make the link in the above article?
Oz
I guess they can be, i've had a couple of challenging ones, but my wife is so bloody easy to be with that it's amazing.
i am a lucky bastard!
Oz
so i have to go to my mum's jw wedding in 2 weeks.
it's not in a kh but there's still going to be about 40 jws there.
apparently it's "widely-known" that i'm gay and some jws have even told my mum that it's not wise to invite me because it will make other people (jws) feel uncomfortable.
By being the bigger person you will no doubt make your mum prouder of you than i suspect she is already is. And, the respect you show will also make her day i am sure. And who knows, if your demeaner makes even one of those guests start actually thinking, why, as they are so apt to say, "what a great witness that would be!"
Oz
do you believe the bible is unfallible, unerring and totally accurate?.
do you believe the bible is a "good book" with much good about it but not something that should be totally believed?.
do you not believe in the bible at all as being "god's word"?.
The Jury is now out.
i have no idea anymore! frankly i dont want to think about it either!
After i sweep up the crap of my disintergrating belief system perhaps i will look at the merits of a book that is used to control our thinking.
i dont often have an interest in interpretation of scripture, but, i do of this one:.
many of us are aware of the late use of gen 6:3 and the link to our last days... "we are now 90 years into..." (wt dec 15 2003)3. i read all of chapter 5 and 6. as far as i can see, taking this all in context i am sure the '120' years is only a reference to the future lifespan god would allow mankind.
all the oldies before the flood had huge lifespans and after much much shorter.. enosh 905; ja'red 962; methuselah 969; la'mech 777; abraham 175; joseph 110; moses 120 etc.. take verse 3 by itself and perhaps one can make it say in 120 years i'll kill everybody, but to be honest that makes no sense at all.
I dont often have an interest in interpretation of scripture, BUT, I do of this one:
Many of us are aware of the late use of Gen 6:3 and the link to our last days... "we are now 90 years into..." (WT Dec 15 2003)
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I read all of chapter 5 and 6. As far as i can see, taking this all in context i am sure the '120' years is only a reference to the future lifespan god would allow mankind. All the oldies before the flood had huge lifespans and after much much shorter.
Enosh 905; Ja'red 962; Methuselah 969; La'mech 777; Abraham 175; Joseph 110; Moses 120 etc.
Take verse 3 by itself and perhaps one can make it say in 120 years i'll kill everybody, but to be honest that makes no sense at all. If its that bad just do it now, why wait 120 years. There was not yet the 'universal issue of sovereignty' of Jobs day.
And even IF it does mean god planned to kill em all in 120 years, how on earth can that be linked to now? After all it was not a prophecy for 5000 odd years later merely a record of lifespans
Maybe scholars see it the other way? i sure am not one ,but i am curious to know
shoot me down if you think i'm seeing it wrong peoples!
Oz
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